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  Crisis of Conscience

  by Freeatlast2024 in

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  this is my first time posting to this forum.

  let me start by saying i was born and raised as a jehovah’s witness.

  i’m thankful that i was raised this way, because i feel it protected me in some ways, especially with regard to moral issues.

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  Nathan Natas

  Yes, Don Cameron's book is excellent.

  "COAC" gave me the idea to launch my own "replica reprint" career.

  Over at Six Screens right now (May 2024), Rick is giving away a few copies of "Captives Of A Concept".
  
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  Crisis of Conscience

  by Freeatlast2024 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is my first time posting to this forum.

  let me start by saying i was born and raised as a jehovah’s witness.

  i’m thankful that i was raised this way, because i feel it protected me in some ways, especially with regard to moral issues.

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  WELCOME FreeAtLast2024! "Making shiy up" is what religion is all about.

  Ray's book was a magnificent act of contrition on his part, and it helped many people see what he finally understood.

  "But BEWARE, beloved ones!"
  

  It is appropriate to be grateful for the gift he gave, but don't join The Ray Franz Fan Club.

  I left the JWs before Ray did, and before he himself left, Ray would probably disfellowship me for discovering in the early 1970s that The WTB&TS (as represented by the elders of the Middle Village Congregation, Queens, NYC) protected pedophiles. This audacious pedophile was unpunished and rose in that congregation and started partaking during the Memorial! Ray Franz has been criticized for claiming ignorance of The Society;s pedophile problem, even AFTER he wrote CoC.

  Point is, Ray was no more perfect than you or I or anyone else. He was a man who told his story fearlessly.

  We can be like him in that respect. That may be a good tribute to him.
  
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  40 Years Ago Today: May 15th 1984 "1914 Generation" issue was released. False prophecy, thy name is WatchTower.

  by WingCommander in

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  it's incredible how this cover, and also this "series" of watchtower's is burned into my mind.

  i was almost 5 years old when these were released.

  “1914 and you” — may 1, 1984 watchtower.

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  GOOD WORK! THIS is why you are a Wing Commander!

  
  
  
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  When JW.org drops 607BCE...

  by Nathan Natas in

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  probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.

  in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?

  " by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.

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  DesirousOfChange queried, "Are you sure that WT hasn't already abandoned 607?"
  
  Good point! There are two kinds of abandonment in this case: A. neglect, as we see now, with the Celebrated Bible Scholars failing to mention the doctrine, hoping no one will notice (but we do), and B. Official "New Light" with a "scholarly" article in some JW media about how THIS replaces THAT. An example would be when the Celebrated Bible Scholar Joey Rutherford dismissed the WT doctrine about the Giza pyramid being "The Bible in Stone." That ridiculous doctrine was very similar to the 607 doctrine in that the only people to whom it mattered were Servants of Jah, the rest of the world knew BS when they smelled it.
  
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  When JW.org drops 607BCE...

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.

  in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?

  " by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.

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  NotFormer declared, "...the Napoleonic wars were pretty vast in scope, involving a lot of nations of the time..."
  
  And IN FACT, the early WT used Napoleon as the "pivot man" for their "Bible Based Chronology."
  
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  When JW.org drops 607BCE...

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.

  in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?

  " by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.

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  Wow, "Scholar" seems deeply committed to supporting WT misology.
  
  I saw "sound Biblical Chronology" riding a unicorn once.
  
  How flat is the earth, "Scholar"?
  
  I think from now on I'll call myself "Nathan UberMensch The Genius Master Of All he surveys" so people will know my word is TRUTH and that I am not full of shit.
  
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  Remember that they really control a Community

  by EdLogan in

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  2. friends

  there's a lot going on, and a lot of saying.the interpretation of the scriptures, their internal doctrine and their policy change.. the 1914, 1919 and its consequences.. the birthdays and other holidays.. the beard, the tie, the slacks.. the "hi, nice to see you here".. but at the end of the day, what they're in control of, is a community.

  a society of people.

  and a corporation as well, that controls all this.. many of them don't even really mind about those changes.

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  I like what EdLogan said, except for one thing: "...the ex-JW community should really unite and "preach" to them,.."

  The XJW "community" is not a homogenous cluster of born-again evangelizing Christians. We are Atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, Wikkans, Baháʼí and a million other things. Personally, I'm a non-practicing atheist, and I feel that there are plenty of born-again evangelizing Christian XJWs who would wish me and my friends as DEAD as JW.org does.
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  When JW.org drops 607BCE...

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.

  in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?

  " by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.

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  Yes, "Nowwhat?," and as Wikipedia reminds us, "The "Time of the End" of Daniel 12:4 is identified as beginning in October 1799—when Napoleon invaded Egypt and ended the power of the papacy—and closing in 1914, at which point violent worldwide revolution would mark the end of the old world order and the beginning of a new one."

  I like calling JW.org a "lifestyle religion." Like the snakes they are they will shed their doctrinal skin, especially in regard to the sadly mistaken former leaders of the borganization - Russell, Rutherford, Knorr/Franz - and morph into something that would be unrecognizable to those "inspired" men prior to the 21st century. Their phoney-baloney jobs and their parasitism DEMAND it.

  I think it is possible that JW.org will conveniently "forget" about 1919 and their "Jesus selected ME for his team" doctrine. They will find a new prevarication to use as "evidence" that they are the "one true religion," although I can't imagine what that new lie might be.
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  When JW.org drops 607BCE...

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.

  in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?

  " by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.

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  Nathan Natas

  Probably EVERYONE else thought of this long ago, but I, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.

  We all know that since the year zero (on the FredFranzian calendar) the WTB&TS has defied archaeology and insisted that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 BCE is a more likely date. In fact, the book "The Gentile Times Reconsidered: Have Jehovah's Witnesses Been Wrong All Along About 607 BCE?" by Carl Olof Jonsson and Rud Persson made this conversation public.

  It is a difference of 20 years. If the WTB&TS drops their adherence to 607 BCE, then the "Bible-based arithmetic" moves the "critical" year 1914 forward 20 years, to 1934, which is exactly what the rumor mills are saying will happen. Now we know why the date 1934 will gain prominence: the WTB&TS will announce "new light" declaring that crackpot Freddy Franz was wrong and the archeologists were right after all.

  But you knew that...
  
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  The Meaning of ETC

  by titch in

  1. forum
  2. suggestions

  folks: i don't mean to be a "forum grammar policeman", but there is something that i've noticed a few times.

  i've noticed that a few---not all---but some, members of the forum who use the abbreviation "ect" when they want to use the abbreviation of "etc.

  " for your education today, the term "etc" is the abbreviation for the latin term "et cetera.

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  For those who employ and enjoy ECT